Robert Pickton: "There's other people involved"

Police have release copies of the transcript in which Robert Pickton "confessed" to murder. The media quote "I'm a legend" is taken completely out of context. He's in a cell with an under cover cop who claims to be from out of town. They talk about the media surrounding his case and the guy keeps saying he's famous. Pickton responds with a sarcastic Yeah I'm a legend.

The whole interview he denies being involved. He admits to being interrogated for 8 to 12 hours a day. He claims he doesn't smoke, drink or do drugs and doesn't even drink coffee.

Near the end of the 179 page document he vaguely implies he got sloppy but adamantly insists "There's other people involved." His "confession" is side by side with a strange story about how his family lived in a chicken coup when he was 2.

Another witness testified that she didn't think Pickton acted alone. Giselle Ireson said she was afraid to talk about her opinion that Robert Pickton didn't act alone. She met an untimely death before she was able to testify at the final trial.

His brother Dave was convicted of sexual assault on the same farm at an earlier date. If Robert was slow and deferred to his brother, how could Dave have not known what was going on? Then there's Dinah Taylor.

Gina Houston said Pickton said he didn't kill Mona Wilson.

I'm not saying Robert Pickton should get off. I'm saying that the accomplices issue should be investigated thoroughly since the Judge was the one that brought it up in his instructions to the jury. Picktons defense claimed that up until that point, the Crowns case was that he acted alone. Yet the problem continues.

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In an exclusive interview with CTV Thursday, Pickton claims police used him as a “fall guy.”

“Maybe if I had gone on the stand, I would have blown this whole thing apart,” CTV reported Pickton as saying in a telephone interview. “They’re still hunting . . . they’re still looking for a scapegoat.”

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Pickton's appeal turned down

Well Robert Pickton lost his appeal but it still does leave unanswered questions. Pickton's appeal was based on the premise that the presiding judge erred when giving instructions to the jury. But the Crown said that even if the judge made a mistake, it wasn't serious enough to require a second trial.

The question rose with the instructions given to the jury. The judge said they could convict Pickton even if he hadn't acted alone but if he was an active participant. I agree with the decision. Pickton should not get another expensive trial. However, the whole issue of accomplices has not been dealt with.

His brother Dave was said to have been a Hells Angels associate and was convicted of sexual assault on the same farm prior to the murders.

Were the Hells Angels Robert Picton's accomplices? It looks like now, we will never know. The Hells Angels pig farm in Australia case was never resolved either.

Were the Hells Angels Robert Pickton's Accomplices?

Since the media is reexamining evidence in the Picktion trial we should also examine who some of those suspects are. The media has recently shown how the Crown submitted considerable evidence that Robert Pickton had accomplices in the murders.

Interesting to note that during the trial Robert Pickton was asked point blank if the Hell s Angels were involved in any way with the murders and he clearly said no in court. I find that to be a very profound question. Why would they ask him if the Hells Angels were involved? What evidence did they have that could have possibly implied they were? Would he have said yes if they were involved?

One witness was asked if Hells Angels ever attended parties at Piggy Palace and he said no in court. Yet a musician who played at Piggy Palace said Hells Angels were there all the time. So why did that witness lie in court and say they weren't? Lots of people attended those parties including the former mayor of Port Coquitlam, Scott Young. Mind you that mayor had some problems and criminal charges of his own.

Why did bikers show up at another witness' house during the Pickton trial and scared her out of testifying? She was going to testify in court that Hells Angels attended parties at Piggy Palace and were associates of Robert's brother Dave. If everyone knew that Hells Angels attended parties at Piggy Palace and were associated with Dave Pickton, why did bikers show up at the witness' house? Which club were those bikers affiliated with?

The Hells Angels documented connection with meth cook Kerry Ryan Renaud is disturbing as is their documented connection with prostitution. Here's my point, if the Hells Angels were involved in any way with any of the Pickton murders, I want to know. They lied about being drug dealers and selling crack. What else did they lie about?

Ratting out a crack dealer is not being a rat. Lying for one is. Ratting out someone who helped murder and mutilate sex trade workers is not being a rat. Refusing to do so is.

If the Hells Angels were involved in any way with the Pickton murders, do you think the Italian or Sicilian mob will want anything to do with them? As hardcore and misguided as the Sicilian's morals are regarding murder, extortion and drugs, the Italian and Sicilian mob do have a code of conduct and don't support that kind of depravity. The Mexican cartels or the Latino gangs like the Italians, Sicilian and the French have Roman Catholic backgrounds. They may be hardcore about murder but they don't support that kind of depravity against women.

If the Hells Angels or any of their associates were involved with the Pickton murders in any way, they would completely lose their respect in the criminal underworld and in the public eye. If the public lost respect for them, they wouldn't hesitate ratting them out. If you know anything about any of this, please contact me or call Crimestoppers at 1 800 222-TIPS (8477).

Did Robert Pickton have Accomplices?

I was shocked to read the article in today's Vancouver Province about the possibility of Robert Pickton having accomplices. It appears to be a National Post article that was also published in the Vancouver Sun. Finally the media steps up to the plate. Robert Pickton was convicted of six counts of murder and faces another possible 20 charges if those don't stick.

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Yet the police have found the remains and DNA of more than 60 women on the farm. Do I believe Robert Pickton murdered all 60? No I do not. Do I believe Robert Pickton was the criminal mastermind and his brother Dave had no idea what was going on? No I do not.

The problems is, these kind of trials are very expensive. The police want to have a conviction. The disturbing part of the case is that the crown admits that there is considerable and obvious evidence that Pickton may not have acted alone but if he was the person in charge and if the others were acting in concert with him, he could still be convicted. I agree with that argument. I just don't think he was the one in charge.

Court testimony describes Robert as mentally diminished and deferred questions to his brother Dave who ran the farm and had been previously convicted of sexual assault on that same farm.

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I find it disturbing to hear a police officer on cross examination after admitting they did find pills and bungee cord in Dave's room after receiving another report of another sexual assault by him the police officer said just because someone commits sexual assault, that does not necessarily make him a murderer. No, but why didn't the second charge of sexual assault proceed against him?

It is not my quest to assist the defense in helping their client get away with murder. I believe Robert Pickton's conviction should be upheld. My concern is pursuing justice for the more than 54 other women found on the farm. What about them?

The article in the Province concludes with a very profound statement by the defense. "If the Crown believes there is evidence that others were involved, you would think that an investigation would proceed with vigor. Instead, one is left wondering."

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Women still go missing in East Vancouver. One is also left wondering about the fact that Vancouver has become a hub for international human trafficking. Where do all those women go after their id is incinerated?

Assault on prostitute in Maple Ridge

This one I find disturbing. We've read about Hells Angels enforcers cutting off a finger for a drug debt. http://www.vancouversun.com/news/found+Fraser+River+part+Prince+George+gang/1952430/story.html
Yet this case clearly opens Pandora's box. A guy viciously physically and sexually assaults a prostitute in Maple Ridge allegedly telling her her husband owed money to the Hells Angels and was in danger of being killed. http://www.theprovince.com/Five+years+jail+vicious+assault+prostitute+Maple+Ridge/2353301/story.html
Just because someone says that doesn't mean they are really affiliated with the Hells Angels on Hells Angels business but it is curious as to why he would say that.

The brutality of the assault is disturbing as well as the location. A physical and sexual assault on a prostitute in the name of the Hells Angels in the same general area as Piggy Palace. Disturbing indeed.

Dave Pickton and the Hells Angels

Speaking of conspiracies, personally I find it very hard to believe Robert Pickton was the master mind behind eluding police and hiding the bodies in all those women killed on the family pig farm. I find it very hard to believe that his brother Dave who was previously convicted of sexual assault on that same farm was not aware of what was going on. If Dave was in charge of the farm how could Robert kill, mutilate and bury all those women on the farm without Dave knowing about it?

Dave Pickton, Robert Pickton's younger brother was convicted of sexual assault on the pig farm in 1992. In 1999, a woman alleged she was violently assaulted by Dave Pickton in his home. The unidentified woman alleged he bound her limbs to the bed using bungee cords and tried to shove pills in her mouth. Sgt. Dan Almas said he was aware of that allegation, and agreed that pills and bungee cords were found in a search of the younger Pickton's bedroom but stated "Someone who is alleged to have committed a serious sexual assault does not a murderer make."

Police describe Robert Pickton as slow. A police officer testified that he had the impression that Robert was "mentally diminished" and Dave was both condescending to Robert and protective of him. Robert seemed to be submissive and deferred to his brother when asked a question, the jury heard. Robert and Dave Pickton operated Piggy Palace. Robert Pickton's initial response to the murder allegations was "Hogwash. I'm being set up." His "confession" was side by side with a fanciful story about how he lived in a chicken coupe when he was 2.

One police informant left town when bikers showed up at her house before the trial. Another witness said "[Dave] told me that if Willie was going to go down, then everyone else was going to go down," However, that same informant later denied in court telling police that he was scared of Dave Pickton because he socialized with the Hells Angels. Nevertheless, defense lawyer stated "I'm going to suggest to you that there was considerable association between Dave Pickton and the Hells Angels."

Personally, I do think Robert Pickton was involved but I do not believe he acted alone. There are a lot more than 26 woman murdered and missing.