We've all seen how drone are being used in military applications. The drone scene from Angel has Fallen is somewhat frightening. What can you do? How can civilians respond? Handguns and AR15's against a drone are pretty useless but shotguns are the way to go. Bird shot for larger birds like geese. One YouTuber suggested turkey loads. Every family should own a shotgun.
Target shooting and skeet shooting are very different. Target shooting against drones is very difficult and somewhat impractical. Skeet shooting you're hitting moving clay pigeons to simulate duck hunting. Instead of shooting one single projectile and a distant small moving target you sweep several tiny projectiles towards it like spraying a garden hose. It's a very different feel and in this case much more effective than an AR, pistol or a hunting rifle.
Another possibility is net guns. They seem fairly effective as well. They also have rifle netguns.
As we can now all see, Jesse Ventura was right. The Second Amendment isn't about hunting. It's about protecting your family from a foreign invasion. We all saw how Zelensky was handing out assault rifles like smarties to civilians before Russian invaded. Since the WEF enjoys demonizing Putin, let's talk about that. What if Russia or China invaded Canada? Should we not be prepared for that? Especially since CSIS and the WEF keep telling us how evil and dangerous they are.
The Swiss have lots of guns because target shooting is a national sport. That might be one of the reasons they weren't invaded during the war. An armed population is harder to conquer. Dictators promote gun control for that same reason. It's hard to make an armed population slaves.
So now we can say that although hunting is an important right especially when they are trying to starve us, gun control is about protecting your family and country in times of war. That's why every American should own an AR15 and every Canadian should own a SKS. The reason I say every American should own an AR15 is because .223 is the most common ammunition in the US. ARs are banned in Canada. A SKS is the next best thing. There are tons lying around and ammo is readily available. You can also get an ATI stock to make a very old rifle feel like new again.
So I recommend every Canadian family should own a shotgun, a hunting rifle and a SKS. In times of war, handguns aren't a big deal and there's no way the laws in Canada will ever let you hunt with a handgun. If there's a food shortage you can shoot ducks and geese with a shotgun. There are plenty of them around. With a hunting rifle you can shoot deer, moose or elk. Moose or elk is a bit gamey and eating Bambi isn't very nice but if there is a deliberate food shortage, survival takes presidence. You can hunt with an SKS but you can't use full metal jackets.
Protecting yourself from surveillance drones that shoot people is also very important.
Si vis bellum para pacem - "If you want peace, prepare for war."
I bought a lightly used Remington SP-10 a few years ago with precisely this in mind, secondary potential for hunting. Auto loading 10 gauge 3.5" Magnum, full choke. The rounds are so long you only have one in the chamber and two in the magazine tube. Since it's designed for waterfowl and such guns are limited to 3 rounds anyway, no one ever made a magazine tube extension for it, although that's easily done. I bought a half case (500 rds) of Federal Waterfowl ammo for it, BBB steel shot. Good to 70m for Geese or Turkeys, both large birds. A quadcopter drone, even if you only hit one blade on one of four props with one pellet, I believe the out of balance prop and reduced lift would bring it down. Never mind if you had multiple hits. I haven't tested this yet, ha ha, need a volunteer.
ReplyDeleteMost folks can get a hold of a 12 gauge a lot easier. You are looking for one with the 3" magnum chambering, 28"-30" barrel and full choke to maximize your ability to reach out. As far as ammo like Dennis says you are looking for shot size suitable for turkey or Canada goose. An online chart of the shot sizes will give you an idea of that, also how many pellets of what size are in a shell.
Range is the limiting factor for a shotgun. An idea for "off the shelf" anti-drone capability with expanded range and the ability to follow the target might be radio controlled "R/C" model aircraft used to collide directly with the drone. If you had a sense of humor you could use a model WW2 Japanese Zero for the role of Kamikaze, but the model jet aircraft are much faster.
Yes the longer the barrel the better. I bought a Mossberg Maverick to take skeet shooting. Although the barrel length is completely legal in Canada it's against the rules to use it at the Skeet range. They have an additional rule requiring a longer barrel for safety reasons. Now I have to buy a longer barrel. I can still fire it at the gun range with slugs or buckshot but a shotgun at a target range is kind of anti climatic. I would like to shoot skeet and trap eventually.
DeleteMy magazine was plugged at two rounds with a wooden dowel which was easy to remove. You can use more rounds at the gun range just not when you're duck hunting.
Having said that, evidently it is illegal to shoot down any drone even if you own it. Some ridiculous classification claiming it's an aircraft so the same laws against shooting aircraft apply to drones. That needs to change. In time of war, if a military drone is shooting at you, you are legally allowed to respond.
What barrel length do they require, and what length do you have on the gun right now that they don't like?
ReplyDeleteWhen I took the firearm course we were told that in Canada a shotgun's barrel must be at least 18.5 inches. That's why mine is. It's perfectly legal for the gun range or to shoot in the bush. However, the skeet ranges here all require a minimum barrel length of 26 inches. My hunting buddy said it's because in skeet you move the barrel with the shot. A longer barrel is easier to control to avoid accidentally sweeping the muzzle in an unsafe direction. Evidently for skeet or duck hunting you want at least a 26 inch barrel for greater accuracy: https://www.vancouvergunclub.ca/range-rules
DeleteUnless they've changed the law, you can own a shotgun of any barrel length but it must be 27 inches overall. Years ago I had a Mossberg 590A1 Compact. 14" barrel, but it came that way from the factory. Full stock, if you put a folder or anything else on it that would bring it under the 27" rule. Excellent gun for heavy bush, with slugs it will deal with pretty much anything in B.C.. You cannot cut a barrel to be under 18.5" yourself, as you note, it has to come at that length from the factory.
DeleteFor skeet 26" would be about right although 24" would be fine if allowed. 28" is for Trap, which I actually find more fun than Skeet. Because I suck at skeet, ha ha. Factory screw in chokes would actually allow you to use the Full choke for Trap and Waterfowl and the Modified for Skeet or "Upland" bird hunting.
Mossberg makes such a 26" barrel that fits their entire series of 500/590/88.
They keep changing the rules all the time. It's hard to keep up. I think they just go by the 18.5 inch barrel length now not the overall length but that could quickly change as well. My Maverick came with a pistol grip which would shorten the overall length. I don't like the pistol grips on shotguns. They look cool but unless you're using bird shot it is very uncomfortable to shoot. I much rather shoulder a shotgun.
DeleteYeah they do. It's a progression designed over time to leave you with nothing. "Clever". Completely worthless strategy if you just say no instead of being "reasonable" about their attempts to rob you of your liberty.
ReplyDeleteCompletely agree, pistol grips on shotguns are worthless.
ReplyDelete18 inch shotgun barrel is a US law. In canada places like Dlask sell 12 and 14" 870 barrels. They even used to sell a 10' and possibly and 8"? but I believe the magazine tube and pump handle needed to be shortened. Overall length just needs to be longer than 26.5". That's the beauty of 870s and similar shotguns is that u can swap barrels in seconds for whatever u need at the time.
ReplyDeleteI'm pretty sure that's changed. When I took the course shotguns had to have a barrel length of 18.5 inches. That appears to still be the requirement and how it's measured now. I think in the US if the barrel is shorter than 18 inches it's supposed to be registered and taxed.
DeleteIt has not changed Dennis!
ReplyDeleteDlask still does offer 8”, 10”,12” and 14” barrels for your 870 or 870 clone.
The previous comment relating to overall length is correct.
The pump action shotgun with a fixed conventional stock with 8” barrel and overall length as indicated in the previous comment is fully legal to carry in the bush.
A semiauto shotgun such as the 11-87 has to have an 18.6” barrel to be non restricted.
However, the same 11-87 with a 14” barrel is restricted and can only be taken to a CFO approved range.