A lot of people who supported Trump are saying WTF? Trump was supposed to defend the Constitution not throw it away. Due process is important. As one coworker observed, all that's going to happen now is that the Democrats are going to take back the House and the Senate in the Midterms making Trump powerless. Then in two more years he will be gone. That circus side show was a complete waste of time. We don't need to go from one extreme to the other then back again. We need to balance the extremes. Civil liberty matters.
Just to clarify, although Trump has lost his mind, that doesn't make Joe Biden and Kamala Harris good because they're not. They're all crazy. We need to balance the extremes. It's not rocket science. Due process is really important.
Trump is clearly out for his own self interests. People complain he is removing oversight by eliminating Inspector and Auditor General’s. But interestingly the BC NDP shut down the Auditor General for Local Government in BC in n March of 2021 and no one seemed to care or notice. Who was in charge of that office that facilitated its closing? No oversight of Local Governments in BC for 4 years now.
ReplyDeleteOversight is at the ballot box by the people affected. When you abrogate that responsibility, you get what you get. I'm completely aware that a lot of people won't like that answer, but it is what it is. Was the Auditor General doing their job anyway? You can't possibly say they were.
DeleteYes, the AGLG was doing a very good job, perhaps too good. Have you taken the time to read any of the reports? Based on your response, clearly not. The voters would never know what has occurred without the AGLG to make an informed choice. Independent oversight is critical or else corruption and inefficiency reign.
DeleteJust in case you actually want to read the old reports, here is the link: https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/governments/local-governments/facts-framework/local-government-system-organizations/aglg
DeleteI would think Dennis would have read the ones on Municipal Police Contracts. So much good stuff in these reports. Too bad they stopped.
I think this is a good discussion. I don't know what the Auditor General is or was.
DeleteDue process doesn't mean if you are in the country illegally you get to go to court endlessly and tie up the system which activist Dem judges help you with that. There is no legal requirement to do anything other than confirm your status or lack of it, then deport you. THAT is the due process to which you refer. The fact that you don't like it means nothing.
ReplyDeleteIf you are in a country illegally you are deported. Sent back to the country of origin. Not incarcerated without a trial in a foreign prison that has horrific conditions. That is mentally ill.
DeleteDue process means you can't send American's to a foreign prison period let alone without a trial. Jimmy Dore supported Trump. He disagrees with Trump on this issue for good reason. Trump has already broken his oath to defend the Constitution. Trump threw it out.
Candace Owens supported Trump. She disagrees with Trump's position on Gaza for good reason. That Trump Gaza video is mentally deranged. We need to rise above blind partisan stupidity. Just because Trump has lost his mind doesn't mean AOC was right. It simply means they're both crazy.
While you have a point, recall that Venezuela initially decided they were not going to accept their own citizens back. A lot of the initial wave were actual gang members and criminals, such as the ring that was burglarizing NFL players homes on game day. Ideally they would go back to their country of origin as you say, but it's just not realistic to think that Trump is going to allow various obstacles thrown up by the usual suspects to stand in his way of getting the job done. There are those who think they are just going to obfuscate and delay for 4 years, like last time. That's just not accurate.
DeleteThat's not true. Venezuela said they'd take them back but for some it's not safe to return there. Their is no possible rationalization for any of this. It is wrong. Threatening to send Americans there is insane. Trump is not a defender of the Constitution. He has become a right wing extremists promoting the kind of Nationalism that's the same as Fascism less the gassing of Jews.
DeleteI can't disagree that he's promoting Nationalism, because he is. But the other side of that is the folks who hate America anyway that brought them to that point, a lot of them have been raised that way by the media and the education system for years. American leftists despise the idea of being proud of your country, tools of the globalists the lot of them. You appear to be correct that this is the opposite of that, it's sort of the point, but I think the jury is still out on whether it will wind up being fascism. Wiemar Republic Germany was a different animal, and those folks were suffering pretty badly with the Depression and all. They weren't the Americans, who didn't head that way even under the same conditions, and Canadians are no less than the Americans, although sometimes I think we have a bit of an inferiority complex about that. Guess who's been feeding us that garbage all these years. The same class of people up here who were doing that down there. True North Strong and Free sounds a bit nationalistic if you think about it for a moment. It's no more wrong for us than it is for them, and it's certainly right for us. You won't find Carney or anyone else in our political establishment saying that unless they are singing the national anthem. We deserve better.
DeleteVenezuela initially refused. Trump said, OK, no more visa's from Venezuela, at all, and inside 24-48 hours they changed their mind. You could say that Trump changed it for them. Frankly a lot of people from all kinds of places are going to say it's not safe for them at home if that will get them a chance to stay, we see the same here and it doesn't stop us from deporting them either.
DeleteSome people aren't safe in their country of origin. That's why we have refugee claims. As for the Nationalism quest, that's like saying Joe Biden and Kamala Harris were Communist so Trump became a Fascist. Both are wrong. There is something in between. All this extremism is unhealthy.
DeleteFrom your response it seems you have no idea of the depth of the rot in both of our systems. And I think you do, which makes your "stick to the center" thing harder to fathom. When you have a cancerous tumor, you find a surgeon to cut it out. That sacrifice of being cut open has to be made, or you will die. Then you do chemo to make sure it doesn't come back. We are not going to undo what has been done easily, and they will fight against us all the way. Carney is not going to just give up, and if we manage to get rid of him we will need to keep a close eye on whoever takes the chair. Going to the center, in the Americans case, guarantees the success of the left and their globalist masters in "Resist"-ing over the next 4 years, they will survive to bring their corrupt BS back again, as you have already suggested. Trump and his crew will not allow that, and I support his actions, mostly. I'm not a fan of dealing with dictators, as there's little record of any of them being benevolent, quite the opposite. They mostly need to be got rid of, if we care so much about the people who live under them. "The Art of the Deal" wears a bit thin like that.
DeleteFor us it's the same. They have a saying down there, "Moderation is for Canadians". I'm not really insulted by such things, we say worse about them, but then I realized they are right. Some of the stuff the RCMP and VPS has got away with up here would result in the police being reminded that they are not the only ones with guns down there. Here we just take it in the ass, and of course it continues. When they say we don't have any balls, they have a point. I'm sure we have them, but don't use them much.
I think the worry about centralized fascism down there is overblown until someone refuses to vacate the White House when they are un-elected, and leaving the issue of a stolen election aside for the moment, Trump has already proven he will do that. Our own process with our next election will prove as interesting as what is happening down there. First we will have to order a new chair, since Justin stole the last one.
Are Nationalism and Fascism the same thing? All Fascists are Nationalists but the reverse has not been proven yet.
DeleteThere are two definitions of Nationalism. One is simply being proud of your country which is good. The other is the political ideology of Fascism less the gassing of Jews. Kind of like there are two definitions of pride. One is righteous pride which is self confidence and self respect. The other is the universal sin. Trump doing away with the Constitution and removing civil liberty is Fascism. Trump centralizing the government with all these executive orders ignoring court decisions is Fascism. Tariffs are taxes just like the carbon tax.
DeleteAs for the cancer comment you don't throw away the Constitution to fight Socialism. That's not how you do it. As for the saying Moderation is for Canadians look at what that really means. Communism and Fascism are extremism. Cheap slogans to justify extremism ends in slavery.
DeleteNo one but you and the usual suspects on the left are saying he's a Fascist, so consider the company you have aligned yourself with. No one but you and the left, who we both know are globalist puppets, is saying he's throwing away the Constitution. All the people arrested for arson at Tesla dealerships are pro-Palestinian Communists, the guy they arrested in Vegas today was very heavily armed, sniper rifle, silenced AR15 pistol etc.. The charges he's facing will have him out of circulation for 20 years, and it's all on video, the evidence is overwhelming.
DeleteOur version of moderation means to do little to nothing.
DeleteJimmy Dore and his co-host said Trump is throwing away the Constitution because he is. They are not left wing. They supported Trump just like Candace Owens. Denying that is to deny reality.
DeleteAgain we need to rise above this completely blind partisan insanity. People have a right to agree. People have a right to disagree. That's what the Constitution protects. To say that only the left calls Trump a Fascist is simply not true. If you can't admit his centralization of power and abolishment of civil liberty isn't Fascism then you are lying to yourself.
I'm not saying he's a Fascist because he's racist. That's what the left said before his second term. I'm not saying that. I'm saying look at his consolidation of power. His and Steve Bannon's idolization of Napoleon when he was an emperor. The Constitution was designed to fight dictators not support them.
The right to due process is a fundamental right like the right to bear arms. Doing away with due process is what Fascism does. Ironically enough it's also what Communism does.
I'm not saying Trump is crazy so let's join AOC and Hillary Clinton. They're crazy too. I'm saying let's support Conservative values like Ron Paul and Rand Paul not right wing extremism which is no different than left wing extremism.
As for the claim that our version of moderation means to do little to nothing, that is simply not true. Moderation means to oppose Communism AND Fascism. Opposing it doesn't mean do nothing. Going to war with Hitler wasn't doing nothing. The Convoy wasn't doing nothing. Supporting law and order means supporting civil liberty and going to war with anyone who tries to steal that from you for whatever reason.
DeleteYou seem to assume that he will respect the next election!
ReplyDeleteHe has a history of doing so.
DeleteIt would be safer to have no future elections so the voting public doesnt continue to keep voting in the left.
ReplyDeleteThat is mentally deranged. Completely. You just said the quiet part out loud. No elections means no democracy. That is Communism.
DeleteLol you also think illegal immigrants have the same rights as American citizens. That's delusional.
DeleteLegal immigrants do have the same rights. That's like Sarah Palin claiming the Constitution is only for American citizens. That is not true. "No state shall deny to any person within it's jurisdiction equal protection of the law. It says no person not citizen. Likewise the preamble to the Canadian Bill of Rights. "This heritage of freedom I pledge to uphold for myself and all mankind."
Deletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3fm_IQ5Hco
He did not say legal, he said illegal. And actually they do not, as an example, a green card holder who is not yet a citizen cannot vote.
DeleteEqual protection of the law is not the same thing as having the same rights.
DeleteSorry, I'm with Dennis on this one. No future elections, LOL. At the same time elections have to protected from what happened in 2020. This time they were, largely, and the left lost because they couldn't pull their usual tricks.
DeleteThat's a good point. Everyone was freaking out when they rigged the 2020 election now they want to do away with elections entirely as long as it's in their favor. Must be a troll wanting to get a reaction.
DeleteEqual protection of the law is the same rights. The Canadian Charter of Rights is the highest law of the land. That is law and it protects people's rights.
No future elections is defiantly satanic. That's what Lucifer said during the war in heaven. He said people will make bad choices so take away their free agency. That's Communism / Fascism.
He said illegal, not legal.
ReplyDeleteWords matter as do their correct interpretation.
Illegal, yes that is different. Small print early in the morning. However, As Jimmy Dore and his co-host point out, illegal immigrants are deported they are not incarcerated in a foreign prison. They're not accused of committing a crime without a trial. Again I know I have to calm down but to think anyone can support any of this is insane.
DeleteSpeaking of communism, don't think for a minute this isn't happening here.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.breitbart.com/politics/2025/03/26/details-revealed-inside-the-ccps-united-front-work-in-minnesota/
Exactly. However, look at Poland. In Poland the Fascist invasion created an emergency. Communism saved them from that emergency and their slavery was complete. What we are seeing is the same thing in reverse. First we have a bunch of ANTFI left wing wackos trying to bring in Communism. Then everyone's knee jerk reaction is to embrace Fascism to clean up corruption and save us from Communism. Only that's the same thing.
DeleteWhy are you so fkn naive to the CCP operations in this country, province and city??!!
DeleteAre they paying your fkn wages?
Get a grip.
Again you don't fight Communism by embracing Fascism. You do it by supporting the civil liberty found in the Constitution. You don't do it by throwing away the Constitution.
DeleteThe answer to the why is the frog in a pot of water analogy. Especially when the media and the un-elected and elected elites have been selling the idea that the water is not really getting warmer, that just your imagination and your innate prejudice, you should be ashamed. Sound familiar? The reason they push this is simple, they are getting paid.
DeleteThe boiling frog principle also directly applies to Trump's embracing Fascism. The end does not justify the means.
DeleteMaybe. Time will tell, it always does.
DeleteIt will. All that's happening is Trump's extremism is causing people to revert back to AOC;s extremism. Both are bad. Extremism is bad. Balancing he extremes and protecting civil liberty is good.
DeleteNo elections is smart because voters are really stupid.
ReplyDeleteActually that's a stupid statement that doesn't deserve a response.
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