Saturday, May 17, 2014

Conflict in the Ukraine continues

A very disturbing article in the Vancouver Province the other day about the violence in the Ukraine. I still have to find the actual article but in essence it said that the government of Ukraine had boasted of a victory as it attacked two cities in eastern Ukraine. I find such a bold claim to be very disturbing indeed.

The current "government" of Ukraine was the result of a military coup and was not the result of a democratic election. They are the insurgents. For them to launch an "anti terror campaign" in Eastern Ukraine is a act of war. NATO supporting a coup in opposition to a democratically elected president is astounding. Yet we know that was done before in Iran. The west supported a coup in Operation Ajax to gain control of Iran's oil. has a pretty toxic article about the conflict but raises one good point. The unelected coup in western Ukraine is being supported by NATO. It quotes a German newspaper that claims "dozens" of advisors from the FBI and CIA have flooded into Ukraine. Other German dailies are reporting the entry of some 400 U.S. mercenaries with the company formerly known as Blackwater. That is believable and is somewhat concerning. Blackwater are mercenaries and would explain the false flag mission handing out those ridiculous anti Jewish flyers in the East.

The article is written by a socialist and long time trade union activist which is in my opinion an onymoron. Communism has absolutely nothing to do with the worker's revolution. I say the article is toxic because it is dripping with workers revolution rhetoric which as we saw from Lenin ordering the machine guns to open fire on trade unionists that objected to his highjacking of the movement to be very hypocritical indeed.

Fascism is no better and despite the fact that Fascists and Communists hate each other so much, I submit that there is no real difference between the two. Both are dictators that end up in the same spot despite the fact that they arrived at that destination from two different roads. The German papers refers to the "Ukrainian transitional government" in Kiev. Also known as a coup.

The article states that during an official visit by German Chancellor Angela Merkel, President Obama said "We're united in our support for Ukraine," which isn't entirely true. They are supporting the western coup in Ukraine despite the democratic will of the east. My question is what on earth is the German chancellor doing in this? That is totally inappropriate because it brings back past history when Germany invaded the Ukraine. Now we realize that Germany is no longer Fascist but Russia is no longer Communist either. Why turn this into a conflict of two old extremes? The East wants to be part of Russia, the West does not. It really is that simple.

Here is Finian's Peace Plan for the Ukraine: The military coup in the West of Ukraine need to get their sh*t together. They need to hold a democratic election before they do anything. They have absolutely no right to do anything in the East of Ukraine. Likewise now that Eastern Ukraine has held a referendum and declared their independence, they have no business in Western Ukraine. They may defend themselves in Eastern Ukraine against the western coup and their NATO support but they may not invade or attack Kiev or other cities in the West of Ukraine. It really is that simple and we in the West have to stop supporting the CIA who are nothing but a criminal organization and a bigger threat to our own sovereignty than Russian.


  1. If the CIA is working in Kiev helping to set up/organize the government and that government performs military strikes in Eastern Ukraine then the CIA are aiding and abetting those attacks. The whole concern is what on earth is the CIA doing helping a non elected coup?

    1. "The whole concern is what on earth is the CIA doing helping a non elected coup?" really? my whole concern is the safety and well-being of every ukranian in harms way and you seem more concerned with blaming the cia and nato for their support of the coup, your article appears misguided and biased as you seem to lay the blame at the feet of anyone except russia.

    2. Well let's see. Russia isn't to blame for the coup that took over the Ukrainian government without an election. Russia didn't do that. When you talk about the safety of the people of Ukraine you have to talk about both sides, the east and the west.

      Collectively, the people of the Ukraine voted for a president who was pro Russia. Without eastern Ukraine, the people in the west of Ukraine finally have enough votes to elect a president that is pro EC not pro Russia. They should be happy with that and protect the people in the west from an invasion from the people in the east. They should not be attacking and invading the people in the east without a democratic election.

      Unlike you I am very concerned with democracy and I do care about protecting the safety of the people on both sides. That is why I submit a fair an simple compromise to end the violence. The CIA is however a criminal organization. Their drug trafficking and investment fraud is only part of the problem. Russia wasn't responsible for the attack on the USS Liberty either.

    3. i agree, russia is not to blame!..for the two specific examples you mentioned, however they are to blame for instigating and provoking violence, at least as much as the cia! iam not going to get sucked into debating the merits of the coup, the subsequent russian invasion of crimea or u.s/nato support with you because there wouldn't be a point, you are dogmatic in your views.

    4. As are you. NATO has every right to defend western Ukraine from an invasion by pro Russian forces. If Russia invaded the west of the Ukraine I would enlist myself to oppose them. However, if an unelected coup asks me for my help to invade eastern Ukraine and overturn the democratic will of those people my response is no. I will not support that.

    5. i am not dogmatic, i am opinionated and arrogant but i am open-minded, i will always consider other peoples views and opinions and will change mine accordingly when convinced(which happens frequently). you on the other hand act like your perspective is the only truth there is, hypocrisies and all. i watch whats happening in the ukraine as a neutral observer, you've picked sides. i know every nation directly involved in the crisis shares some blame for provocation and instigation of civil unrest, you know it's all nato/cia's fault. you want to talk about blaming the cia and invasions, i tried to talk about the ukranians suffering in harms way.. and thats ALL ukranians, unlike you i don't see eastern or western ukranians, i just see people.

    6. The people (voters) in the east don't want to be a part of the EU. The people in the west do. It's that simple. Anything other than that is fraud.

    7. the reality is the only real answer that will work is for ukraine to elect a pro-russian government, any other solution will still result in russia using their gas supply to ruin the ukraine economically.

    8. I think the answer is pretty obvious and we've flogged this issue to death.

  2. If the parliament of Ukraine decided to align with the EC then that would have been a huge concern to the east and the majority of voters who elected a pro Russia Prime Minister. The inherit problem is the fact that the current government wasn't elected it is an interim government that resulted from a coup. Idealistically, everyone in the Ukraine should have an equal vote but since the coup and the declaration of independence from the east, I don't see that as happening.

    Fortunately there was a fair and democratic election in 2010 where Canada helped observe which gives us a clear breakdown of where the majority of voters in each region stand.

    In Ireland the majority of people in the south wanted to be free and independent of England but the majority of people in the north didn’t. The country was then split in two thus the song a Nation Once Again dreaming of the time when Ireland will no longer be a province but be a nation once again.

    In Northern Ireland just over 50% of the people want to be with England while just under 50% don’t. It is very problematic because the breakdown of those voters aren’t divided geographically like they are in the Ukraine. Those voters are scattered across the country. As you say, making the Falls and the Shankle their own countries and each different burrow their own country would be a mess.

    If the south really wanted to secede from the union why stop them? Just like Quebec. If Quebec really wants to leave that bad let them. They take their share of the debt and we stop subsidizing things. They had a vote and just over 50% decided to stay. I remember it well. We sent friendship cards to Quebec saying we hope you vote to stay because we like you and we would be diminished culturally as a nation without you. Yet their vote wasn’t nation wide, it was a vote among Quebecers only. Just like in Eastern Ukraine.


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