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Wednesday, September 26, 2012
Shooting in Lloydminster
There was a shooting in Lloydminster, Alberta yesterday morning around 5:00 AM. I have a report claiming Bryan Gower 35 was shot in the head and dead on scene and that Mike Bexson was shot 5 times with conflicting reports as to whether or not he is still alive or is on life support.
The newspapers are confirming shots were heard and Bryan Gower was found dead on the scene. Then comes the same bizarre slogan, the investigation into the death of Bryan Gower is being treated as a suspicious death, pending the results of an autopsy that is scheduled in Edmonton tomorrow. Shot in the head and that’s suspicious. I’d say so. That’s like that SUV in Edmonton that was parked at a cemetery and was riddled with bullets. The police treated their death as suspicious. I don’t understand how they can say that with a straight face.
Reports are also coming in that the White Boy Posse is in town. That’s the Neo Nazi Hells Angels puppet club from Northern Alberta that sell drugs for the Hells Angles. Apparently this shooting was drug related. I’ll tell ya what’s suspicious. That police department is suspicious. That’s not protecting the integrity of an investigation, that’s withholding information from the public. It’s called suppression of crime statistics, namely homicide.
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Yeah, they really need to drop that phraseology in such cases, it makes them sound stupid.ReplyDelete
I'm hearing that the police in Lloydminster aren't telling the public anything about anything. The only way things get reported to the media is if citizens are on police scanners. It's like all that denial we had about some of the many Edmonton homicides being gang related. There was just an obsessive denial coupled with a huge cover up of the fact that Deadmonton was leading the nation in homicides.ReplyDelete
I live in Edmonton and have my whole life and when I was 15 a girl was found naked wrapped in plastic in a garbage dumpster after the dumpster was set on fire. I remember when they were reporting it on the news the cops said the death was suspicious. THIS WAS OVER 15 YEARS AGO and I remember laughing so hard not at the fact that a poor girl was murdered but at the fact that the cops could honestly say it was suspicious. Like yeah I am sure she stripped down wrapped herself in plastic jumped into a dumpster and then set it a blaze. Like give me a break EPS...... How stupid do you think the general public really is?????? Every time there is a shooting, stabbing etc they say the same crap. Just last week a guy was found by his roommates allegedly tied up and stabbed 10 times (reports from the ppl who found him) and AGAIN it was suspicious. Now they are in fact saying he was stabbed but refuse to release anymore info so it doesn't tarnish their investigation. EVERY Homicide this year that they refuse to release details about to me seems like they refuse to catch the ppl or person responsible for the crime. I have researched the stats and have buried too many friends with no closure as to who took their lives. Time for EPS to stop playing games and do their job!ReplyDelete
15 years ago? I had no idea the suspicious death cover up has been used for so long in Edmonton. In 1999 the Edmonton police department, under the leadership of John Lindsay, had been accused of leaking information to the Hells Angles. I had hoped things there had improved since then. Perhaps not:ReplyDelete
not really sure what the EPS use of the term "suspicious death" has to do with this case, or how that link you posted has any relevance at all, considering the EPS doesn't investigate in Lloydminster... Different police forces using the same term, must be an HA cover up.ReplyDelete
Also, these suspicious deaths get counted as homicides. once the forensics are done, the investigator calls it a homicide and it is statistically counted as such. just sayin...
Well, let’s see… a guy gets shot in the head and the police call it a suspicious death while they fail to mention there was a second victim at all. That is suppression of crime statistics. The EPS and the Lloydminster police forces may be separate but they are in the same area and they follow the same pattern. The body was taken to Edmonton for an autopsy. The fact that the EPS was accused of leaking information to the Hells Angels is very real. That did happen. I’m just saying that the way the Lloydminster and the EPS report crime to the public is very different then the way the Vancouver Police or the Winnipeg police do. That is what brings up their past history.ReplyDelete
Have you ever actually took the time to think about why the police release the bare minimal information? It's because they don't want you to know what they know. It's not their duty to tell you either. There was a suspicious death means they are investigating and they still don't have conclusive evidence and they also do this so as to not steer the public as they hope people will come forward with new leads and evidence.ReplyDelete
Far too often it's because they don't know shit but don't want to admit that. Why do you think they are always "asking for the public's help" or "asking for those with knowledge to come forward". Other police forces say this occasionally, but trust me, only in Canada is it a mainstay of an investigation. You'd think they had no clue or something.Delete
I don't see anything wrong with the police asking for the public's help to solve a murder. We need to encourage the public to give the police information about crime. That's why they need to build a relationship of trust with the public. I just think finding a guy dead who was shot in the head and then saying we can't call it a homicide until we get the autopsy report back is ridiculous.Delete
The police have a legal obligation to warn the public. That is why they were sued after they failed to warn the public when the Balcony rapist was released in Ontario and reoffended. One could argue that the police didn't want to disclose what hospital the second vitim was in in case the shooter wanted to finish the job. Highly unlikely since hospitals are full of security cameras. Yet not saying a second victim was shot is with holding information from the public. The shooter knew two targets were hit. Not mentioning the second victim told them he was still alive. The whole thing about making a point about not calling it a homicide until the autopsy has been performed when the victim was shot in the head is insane. Vancouver and Winnipeg don't do that. The EPS has successfully minimized the fact that last year they were the highest murder per capita in the nation. When you refuse to call it a homicide when the story breaks, the media aren't "allowed" to say it's the 10th or 18th homicide of the year until the results come back. That means there is a delay in reporting that information. It spins the reality of the seriousness of the situation. Don't forget that the police are *suppose* to serve and protect. Don't forget that the police are paid by the public's tax dollars. In a democratic society the police are accountable to the public. Pride is bad for business.ReplyDelete
Litigation in Ontario is very unlike the American version. FyiDelete
American version of what? What on earth does the American judicial system have to do with this? The Ontario decision was in Canada and the Lloydminster cover up is in Canada as well.Delete
A suspicious death means they are investigating it also means whom ever is responsible is still at large. That in its self is a warning. They have indeed warned the public. Law suits in Canada mean nothing. And you can sue all you want but you have to prove a loss as well as prove they are indeed at faultReplyDelete
Law suits in Canada mean nothing?! I sure hope you’re not law enforcement. Law and order and law enforcement is everything. The law suit in Ontario I cited was successful. That means it becomes jurisprudence. The police started warning the public about the balcony rapist after they lost the Ontario decision.ReplyDelete
I’m not saying the police will be sued for suppressing crime statistics like they are in northern Alberta, but it certainly is a possibility. My point was they are suppressing crime statistics and failing to be open with the public. Not only does that open the door for legal liability, it is simply bad business. It tears down bridges of trust between the public and the police. Those bridges are essential if the police department is to function. They need the public trust and public support.
Without deigning to speak for him, I believe what Ron is trying to say is that it's a lot harder to sue the authorities in Canada than it is down south, they are more able to jerk you around when you do, and even when you win the effect on them is negligible in that there will rarely be any large $$ amount awards for damages or violating your rights.ReplyDelete
IIRC your case will usually be heard by a judge alone up north, although I may be wrong about that. In the US it will be heard by a jury unless you are stupid enough to elect it to be judge alone, and if you win, they will be paying you, period. I never heard of too many people suing the RCMP and winning decent amount dollar settlements that would have the effect of spanking them hard enough to make them think twice about doing it again. Therefor it comes as no real surprise when they do it again. Forget doing the right thing, they have shown that to be out the window compared to protecting a "member", you have to hurt them bad enough for them to get the point. The system up there doesn't really allow that.
True it is easier to sue in the US and you tend to get larger settlements there but I was referring to a Canadian decision. Jane Doe versus the Toronto Police Department. Jane doe was awarded a token $220,000.00. They key point is she won and that established a precedent: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_CallowReplyDelete
All it will take is for one more Jane or John Doe to sue the police in a wrongful death suit for failing to warn the public. It shouldn't have to come to that. The police need to get off their high horse and take the higher road by including the public not railroading them.
yes she was awarded 500 000 12 years later. So her claim would be based on the Laws of 1986 and not 2012 or even 1998 when it was awared. And please note most of that would be LAWYER EXPENSE AND PROFESSIONAL SERVICES which would of had to be paid out over that time. Moving forward now... if Lloydminister Police reported the crime they have done their job. They can't release everything unless they are 100% sure not 90 or 80% but 100% sure. Just because they happened in the same area or night doesn't mean they are connected. And yes our, the Canadian justice system is a joke.ReplyDelete
"So her claim would be based on the Laws of 1986 and not 2012 or even 1998 when it was awarded." Where on earth does that come from? The police were found negligent. That decision is now a part of Canadian case law. Lloydminster police didn't report there was a second victim in the shooting. I am getting reports from locals that the polce there are not communicating with the public or the media at all. Likely for some of the reasons you cited. They don't think they have to. They think they are better than the public and do not have to answer to them. That is tragic.ReplyDelete
Yes, litigation law is about the money and only the money. The value of a law suit for the same thing today would be worth much less if anything at all. Sad but true. The sad part of that is most of the money would come from insurance companies and not the actual people responsible. And to further my point most of that money would go to professionals. Doctors, Lawers etc etc. So a 12 year fight not only costed the public it lined the pockets of Lawers and Doctors. To further my statement serial rapists verus a random shooting. They are complete opposites and I struggle to see why you would make reference to the rapist. One could say the same law suits could be launched when talking about the Scarborough Rappist... but didn't... how come??? Cause what you could sue for in 86 is very different than 2012. That said the autorities have to and must be just as diligent when releasing information cause they can be sued for releasing the wrong information. Cause the wrong information can be just as damaging as no information. And they have already cited there is a shooter at large that is enough info for people to understand and protect themselves.ReplyDelete
4 "white Boy possere" members were arrested for the murder of Bryan Gower, Robert Roth Senior & Lorry Ann Santos.ReplyDelete
Got it, thanks. Big news.ReplyDelete
roth owed 300,000 dollars? plus maybe if he could of told people were l.j was since he drove him to nwt with everything & everything plus l.j disappeared hmmm.ReplyDelete
You are suck a liar. Now you're saying he wouldn't rat out a friend and that's what got him killed. Crawl back into your little sh*t hole you little maggot. You would have ratted out your friend for sure. Bob Roth was a better man than you'll ever be. People who dismember human bodies have mental problems just like Luka Magnotta.ReplyDelete